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don't read him his miranda rights, try him as enemy combatant. seeing this already fall on partisan lines in minutes. >> i spoke with susan collins, a republican senator. >> barely. >> even before the suspect -- >> you're not unhappy about that. >> -- had been captured, she said if this person is in some way an american citizen, i do not believe they should be treated as enemy combatant. >> absolutely. when i said it falls on partisan lines, you'll probably see the rand pauls, the far right come around and defend his rights and vice versa, but this is something that we saw fought over time and time again when george bush was president. ironically, three republican senators or at least the two, mccain and graham were defending the liberal point of view saying don't torture. >> the argument, should the suspect be treated as part of al qaeda and taliban basically. it was authorization for use of force. the question is does it even apply? >> right. >> and will it matter. and then the other question you're going to get to is if we had been warned by t
don't read him his miranda rights, try him as enemy combatant. seeing this already fall on partisan lines in minutes. >> i spoke with susan collins, a republican senator. >> barely. >> even before the suspect -- >> you're not unhappy about that. >> -- had been captured, she said if this person is in some way an american citizen, i do not believe they should be treated as enemy combatant. >> absolutely. when i said it falls on partisan lines, you'll probably...
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do we think, your personal opinion, do we think that he should have been read his miranda rights? >> i think that he has got that brief window of time. i heard the segment you did with mike ignacious on that and that period of time where if public safety issues arise, allows them to ask questions. i think it appears from what i know, i don't know anything, none of us do right now, that we are in that window, there is a concern for public safety and probably able to question him and i just hope they don't go over that line. they have to make sure that they stay in that line you you want any prosecution to hold up. you want this person to be held accountable. >> what about treating him as an enemy combatant? what is your take on that? >> i don't know all the facts here to establish that yet. i'm not sure that most of us that aren't intimately involved with the investigation know all the niceties involved in making that determination. i would hesitate to make a leap to that point without having quite a bit more information. >> massachusetts congressman john tierney. congressman, than
do we think, your personal opinion, do we think that he should have been read his miranda rights? >> i think that he has got that brief window of time. i heard the segment you did with mike ignacious on that and that period of time where if public safety issues arise, allows them to ask questions. i think it appears from what i know, i don't know anything, none of us do right now, that we are in that window, there is a concern for public safety and probably able to question him and i just...
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not just miranda. it's miranda, it's the engagement of lawyers and it's an entirely different scenario. do you think we will have trouble prosecuting this guy? >> of course not. we don't need his confession. >> why didn't we wait? >> wait, wait. >> that would have been completely lawless. don't blame the justice department -- >> wait, you just said it was an act of terror. >> of course. >> and a crime. >> and you can still prosecute later, but in the meantime before you offer miranda rights, get some of america's best interrogators in there and you find out what this guy knows. is he connected to a larger cell? are there pending attacks? are there foreign links? where did the training come from? how did you learn to make the bombs? basic simple questions this we need to know because the safety and security of the american people in this case i think are paramount. >> sean, do you know who gave him his miranda rights? >> i don't know exactly who but we were told he was. >> a federal judge, a magistrate
not just miranda. it's miranda, it's the engagement of lawyers and it's an entirely different scenario. do you think we will have trouble prosecuting this guy? >> of course not. we don't need his confession. >> why didn't we wait? >> wait, wait. >> that would have been completely lawless. don't blame the justice department -- >> wait, you just said it was an act of terror. >> of course. >> and a crime. >> and you can still prosecute later, but in...
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lot of people think if the cops don't read you your miranda rights, the case gets dismissed. that's not true. the only thing that happens is if you confess, the confession can't be used in the trial against you. if there's other evidence to convict you, you can still be convicted. so a lot of people think oh, gee, i didn't get my rights, case dismissed. so we start with that presumption, but now we're getting into this more interesting issue because the justice department is saying well when there's a public safety emergency we don't have to give miranda warnings. this is going to be very, very controversial, and then senator mccain under the ante by saying this is an enemy combatant and you should treat the case in accordance with the rules of war. what that means is mccain is saying the guy doesn't deserve a jury trial. he's going to be, i don't know whether mccain is suggesting he'd be shipped off to guantanamo, which that would be a radical departure from the way justice is handled in the united states, particularly where a naturalized american citizen is involved and at
lot of people think if the cops don't read you your miranda rights, the case gets dismissed. that's not true. the only thing that happens is if you confess, the confession can't be used in the trial against you. if there's other evidence to convict you, you can still be convicted. so a lot of people think oh, gee, i didn't get my rights, case dismissed. so we start with that presumption, but now we're getting into this more interesting issue because the justice department is saying well when...
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miranda rights. we've watched enough detective shows no know, police shows, they give miranda rights almost like blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. it's done. why do you think that's an issue? now we just got the word as we went on the air tonight the defendant here, the suspect, i guess he's a defendant now, has been given his miranda rights. >> this is truly something of an urban legend. people like to watch shows where a criminal goes free because he wasn't given miranda rights. that's extremely rare. i do criminal defense work. i can tell you, the most you can hope for in a miranda case is one or two statements will not make it into court. it's rare the whole case falls out unless everything -- >> so it's not the poison fruit thing? >> there is a poison fruit provision, standard. but it's very rare for it to pollute an entire case. >> let me ask you practically, why don't the law enforcement officials, the federal officials up there who have him in custody at the hospital, why didn't they just do this
miranda rights. we've watched enough detective shows no know, police shows, they give miranda rights almost like blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. it's done. why do you think that's an issue? now we just got the word as we went on the air tonight the defendant here, the suspect, i guess he's a defendant now, has been given his miranda rights. >> this is truly something of an urban legend. people like to watch shows where a criminal goes free because he wasn't given miranda rights. that's...
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miranda or not but it sounds like this was premiranda by the magistrate. eric, thank you. >> all right. >> and more controversy surfacing tonight over tamerlan tsarnaev's 2010 trip to russia. how much did homeland know? here's what january -- janet napolitano said today. >> the system pinged when he was leaving the united states. by the time he returned all investigations -- the matter had been closed. >> but senator lindsey graham said the fbi claimed to know nothing, yes, nothing about the trip and tonight the fbi and homeland security briefing lawmakers. congressman jason chase is on the house homeland security committee. he joins us. nice to see you, sir. >> thanks, greta. >> can you clarify or do you know whether or not he mentioned going out of the united states? there's some confusion over what senator lindsay graham said and what the secretary said. >> i don't know what the secretary means when she said ping. what is clear to me from my past experience, the united states of america has no viable entry-exit system. we aren't able to track people as
miranda or not but it sounds like this was premiranda by the magistrate. eric, thank you. >> all right. >> and more controversy surfacing tonight over tamerlan tsarnaev's 2010 trip to russia. how much did homeland know? here's what january -- janet napolitano said today. >> the system pinged when he was leaving the united states. by the time he returned all investigations -- the matter had been closed. >> but senator lindsey graham said the fbi claimed to know nothing,...
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. >>> for now federal officials have decided not to read tsarnaev his miranda rights. miranda rights inform criminals of their right to remain silent and their right to an attorney. this is allowed on a limited basis when the public may be in immediate danger, and there are those like senator lindsey graham who say tsarnaev should be consideredn enemy combatant so he can waive his right. others disagree. >> there's plenty of evidence. they don't need it to get him into a trial. i don't think we have to cross the line and say he's an enemy combatant which could be challenged in court. one circuit rules one way, one rules the other way. >> we should reserve the right to look at him as an enemy combatant and continue to look for evidence and if we find evidence and go to him as chuck says and gather intelligence. >> now the suspect's mother says tamer lan was contacted by fbi. the fbi says that is not true but the fbi did interview him in 2011 at the request of the russian government. officials are focusing on a trip he made to russia in 2012. sky news's katie stallard ha
. >>> for now federal officials have decided not to read tsarnaev his miranda rights. miranda rights inform criminals of their right to remain silent and their right to an attorney. this is allowed on a limited basis when the public may be in immediate danger, and there are those like senator lindsey graham who say tsarnaev should be consideredn enemy combatant so he can waive his right. others disagree. >> there's plenty of evidence. they don't need it to get him into a trial. i...
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should he be given miranda rights? should he be treated as an enemy combatant? that debate has started. give me the facts, first, what they'll do. >> this administration has made a policy decision here. first, that's number one. secondly, he cannot be tried as an enemy combatant in a military tribunal because that law was changed by the national defense authorization act of 2012 that says you can't do that to an american citizen. what some advocates, republicans, are saying such as lindsey graham are -- we understand, they say, we understand he's going to be tried in civilian court but start the questioning -- treat him as an enemy combatant under the law of war. question him by intelligence people. get all the intel you can. then turn him over to the civ civilian authorities. that's what they advocate. that's not going to happen, the administration has decided. he'll be questioned first by this special group set up in the last couple of years in terror cases called the high value detainee interrogation group, fbi cia, dod. they don't have a long time to do that
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. >> i think the miranda issue is an easier issue. he doesn't have to be mar lindaized for a lot of reason. first of all, they have enough evidence to convict him without getting a confession from him. all miranda gets you is a confession you can use in court. you can use that information for everything else. remember, he confessed already to the guy they kidnapped. the guy he kidnapped says, these two guys told us, we did the bombing. they got great witness and they got a great confession. maybe even better than a law enforcement confession where you can claim it was forced out of you. they gave a upon takenious confession -- spontaneous confession. >> bob wants to get in here. so then why did they need to make that statement? i'm trying to figure out why they made that statement? >> i don't know exactly why they made it. maybe because they got so much criticism -- remember the christmas morning bomber that they mirandaized right away, lost the opportunity to get information from him? so i think maybe they were playing defense. >> le
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and they asked him the questions without mirandaizing him. so the public safety exception is domestic in nature. so it's completely unnecessary to call him an enemy combatant in the first place. >> they had a lot of guns, and this is part of the investigation. how do two brothers in cambridge, mass, get ahold of all of this weaponry, and create these bombs? now low-level, low-tech bombs, be that they were. can they do that all with online inspiration and help? or do they have to have outside help, do you think? >> that's an excellent question. i'm sure in the coming days and weeks, law enforcement, the press will uncover virtually every aspect of the lives of these individuals, including the answer to that question. i do know that it is relatively and probably shockingly easy to assemble the components to make a bomb from things you can obtain in the united states. and there are terrorist organizations overseas that have instructions online for how to do that. and so it's something that we ought to look carefully at from the law enforcement p
and they asked him the questions without mirandaizing him. so the public safety exception is domestic in nature. so it's completely unnecessary to call him an enemy combatant in the first place. >> they had a lot of guns, and this is part of the investigation. how do two brothers in cambridge, mass, get ahold of all of this weaponry, and create these bombs? now low-level, low-tech bombs, be that they were. can they do that all with online inspiration and help? or do they have to have...
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do we know anything more about whether he has or has not been read his miranda rights? >> if he has been charged he probably has been. but it sounds like they delayed that. there was a public safety exception where they can question him about are there other devices planted elsewhere? under this public safety exception they could ask him about that without giving him those rights. >> i think -- let me finish up. i'm going to give you credit. what you were saying was very important. whether or not this will be a local case or this is going to be a military court. the fact is by charging him in massachusetts, they are saying we have enough evidence in a court which will be highly visible. they believe they can make a ca case. >> this is a big point when people were saying did he get the rights or not? there is so much other evidence. >> evidence that they can use. >> which we're going to talk about in a minute. >> we're going to take a quick break and come back and talk about this. tsarnaev has been charged of using a weapon of mass destruction. more on that right after t
do we know anything more about whether he has or has not been read his miranda rights? >> if he has been charged he probably has been. but it sounds like they delayed that. there was a public safety exception where they can question him about are there other devices planted elsewhere? under this public safety exception they could ask him about that without giving him those rights. >> i think -- let me finish up. i'm going to give you credit. what you were saying was very important....
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it was unclear if he was read his miranda rights. but in washington, white house spokesman jay carney said he's a naturalized u.s. citizen, so he will not face a military tribunal. >> he will not be treated as an enemy combatant. we will prosecute this terrorist through our civilian system of justice, under us law. u.s. citizen can not be trialed, tried rather in military commissions. and it's important to remember that since 9-11 we have used the federal court system to convict and incarcerate hundreds of terrorists. >> brown: tsarnaev was also likely to face state charges in the shooting death of a police officer at m.i.t. it all followed his dramic capture friday evening, when he was found hiding and wounded in a boat behind a home in the boston suburb of watertown. his older brother tamarlen died hours earlier in a shoot-out with police that triggered the all-day manhunt and shut down the city. yesterday, on cbs, massachusetts governor deval patrick stood by the unprecedented measures. >> i think people understood that we were ma
it was unclear if he was read his miranda rights. but in washington, white house spokesman jay carney said he's a naturalized u.s. citizen, so he will not face a military tribunal. >> he will not be treated as an enemy combatant. we will prosecute this terrorist through our civilian system of justice, under us law. u.s. citizen can not be trialed, tried rather in military commissions. and it's important to remember that since 9-11 we have used the federal court system to convict and...
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>> sure, the public safety exemption to miranda allows the fbi to interrogate without mirandaizeing them an without council. this helps them to determine whether or not there is anyone else in the support structure as tim clemente discussed earlier, if there are any support structure and it does present a potential problem a potential evidentiary problem for prosecution at trial in so far a federal judge could decide certain evidence is not admissible in court. but when you look at the massive amount of evidence that has been amassed in this case it's unlikely that they would not be able to get a conviction. it makes sense that they would proceed on this basis empty with the concern of a possible international connection. >> and they miranda mirandaized tim mcveigh but they didn't have as much and he didn't present as a foreign threat. i've worked as around the world as a scholar and lawyer, there is a question of international connection and it's appropriate for them to be asking these questions, not to mention that they'll probably race the issue on constitutional ground when it comes
>> sure, the public safety exemption to miranda allows the fbi to interrogate without mirandaizeing them an without council. this helps them to determine whether or not there is anyone else in the support structure as tim clemente discussed earlier, if there are any support structure and it does present a potential problem a potential evidentiary problem for prosecution at trial in so far a federal judge could decide certain evidence is not admissible in court. but when you look at the...
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the government decided he will not be given the miranda warning. the usual warning on every episode of "law & order." there's a question of public safety and they can question him for 48 hours before having to give him the warning and use that information in court. the justice department says most people even in these circumstances, even facing very serious charges ultimately the death penalty if the government chooses to bring it, they still choose to talk. it's a controversial decision nonetheless. some republicans think anyone who commits an act of terrorism even on american soil, even if they're american citizens as he is, should be brought before a military tribunal and treated as enemy combatant. >> it's a political hot potato. a lot of administration officials point out the so-called underwear bomber, umar farouk abdulmutallab continued to talk after being mirandized. thank you to you. >> what are investigators doing now? michael leiter served as the director of the national counterterrorism center under presidents bush and obama. good morni
the government decided he will not be given the miranda warning. the usual warning on every episode of "law & order." there's a question of public safety and they can question him for 48 hours before having to give him the warning and use that information in court. the justice department says most people even in these circumstances, even facing very serious charges ultimately the death penalty if the government chooses to bring it, they still choose to talk. it's a controversial...
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officers did not read him his miranda rights. they invoked a rarely used public safety exception. the case started thursday night when his older brother tamerlan died after a firefight with police. then officers spent friday going door to door in watertown looking for johar. pictures from a night vision camera show he was hiding in a boat stored in a backyard. after a second shootout, tsarnaev gave himself up and medics rushed him to the hospital. doctors here at boston's beth israel are treating the suspect for serious injuries. cbs news has learned he is suffering from leg and neck wounds and could have bled to death if he hadn't been found in time. authorities are still in watertown collecting evidence. residents are glad it's all over. >> it's surreal finding yourself in a war zone. >> reporter: a memorial for the victims is growing in downtown boston. 11-year-old catherine left this note. >> i meant it with my heart when i wrote it and i really hope boston gets better. >> reporter: many say they are glad life can get back to normal finally. now, one of the latest statements w
officers did not read him his miranda rights. they invoked a rarely used public safety exception. the case started thursday night when his older brother tamerlan died after a firefight with police. then officers spent friday going door to door in watertown looking for johar. pictures from a night vision camera show he was hiding in a boat stored in a backyard. after a second shootout, tsarnaev gave himself up and medics rushed him to the hospital. doctors here at boston's beth israel are...
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he's been given his miranda warnings and probably anything he said without his miranda warnings is not going to be needed by the government or the prosecution. remember, they did not indict him as a terrorist, that's very important. they indicted him as an ordinary murderer, anybody who wants to kill their mother-in-law, business partner and makes an improvised explosive device and kills them is just as guilty under the statute indicted as osama bin laden might be. this is not a terrorist prosecution. they don't have to prove intent to terrorize, intent to intimidate. they can prove their case just through the videotapes. now, i predict there are going to be two types of possible defenses in this case. number one, the jihad defense. i did it, i'm proud, i'm happy, please kill me, i want to join my brother in paradise. i'm a martyr. the other, my brother made me do it, i am innocent, look at my face, look at my high school record, i really didn't mean it, don't give me the death penalty. i think from what we have heard now, the jihad defense seems like it is off the table. he is prepare
he's been given his miranda warnings and probably anything he said without his miranda warnings is not going to be needed by the government or the prosecution. remember, they did not indict him as a terrorist, that's very important. they indicted him as an ordinary murderer, anybody who wants to kill their mother-in-law, business partner and makes an improvised explosive device and kills them is just as guilty under the statute indicted as osama bin laden might be. this is not a terrorist...
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they will question him without giving him a miranda warning. r they don't have a long time to do that, probably no more than a day or so. then he'll be begin his miranda warning and we'll see if he continues to talk. in other terrorism cases, surprisingly, these people do keep talking. >> mike rogers, chairman, do you have a view how he should be treated in the criminal justice system? or should he be an enemy combatant? >> he's a citizen of the united states. i think that brings all of those protections of the u.s. constitution. under the public safety exception, however, i do believe that the fbi has a period of time to try to determine what threats are there today. we don't know if there are other devices, if there's other people, and mirandizing him up front would be a horrible idea. now, it's my understanding that that's not going to happen. i had good conversations with the fbi. they are going to do their due diligence on the public safety portion. here is where the problem is. they're getting pressure from outside groups to actually do t
they will question him without giving him a miranda warning. r they don't have a long time to do that, probably no more than a day or so. then he'll be begin his miranda warning and we'll see if he continues to talk. in other terrorism cases, surprisingly, these people do keep talking. >> mike rogers, chairman, do you have a view how he should be treated in the criminal justice system? or should he be an enemy combatant? >> he's a citizen of the united states. i think that brings...
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essentially admitted to doing it, and i want to say with a very important caveat, before he was read his miranda rights. >> there's no such thing as a slam dunk in criminal law. but this is as close as you get. you've got video tape putting him at the scene. you have a motive in terms of what he's had to say. plus, you have a guy in a car that admissions were made to. it goes on and on. now, could he beat the death penalty? maybe that's a possibility. what should the defense's strategy be. the shoe bomber obviously now serving life, but did not get the death penalty because of your defense. what can the defense possibly do? >> well, they're going to be focused on mitigation at this point, thinking about the possibility of the death penalty. they're going to be looking into his background. they're going to be having him evaluated, potentially, by, you know, forensic evaluations, by psychologists. they're going to be looking at his state of mind. >> it seems like the defense may try to say he was under the influence of his older brother and be some way to mitigate his defense or say he is brainwas
essentially admitted to doing it, and i want to say with a very important caveat, before he was read his miranda rights. >> there's no such thing as a slam dunk in criminal law. but this is as close as you get. you've got video tape putting him at the scene. you have a motive in terms of what he's had to say. plus, you have a guy in a car that admissions were made to. it goes on and on. now, could he beat the death penalty? maybe that's a possibility. what should the defense's strategy...
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dzhokhar tsarnaev was charged without miranda, this is because federal authorities were able to implement the... the national threat exemption. and that will allow them to continue to question him. now, just on the other side of the police tape is a spontaneous celebration, beginning with people huddled around the radios, wanting to hear the latest information h. they got the information they wanted, cheers would erupt. ultimately, they lined both sides of the road and cheered for the emergency vehicles as they were leaving this scene. the tactical teams, the police officers, the national guardsmen, all got cheers. the crowd would erupt and chanted u-s-a! u-s-a ?ft and patriotic songs, as the people here endured so much the last couple of days, very glad to see this chapter of the trag fee tragedy is over. >> we will see you again. >> what is next here? joining us now, the criminal defense attorney, james shalloc, familiar with cases involving multiple murders. he prosecuted son of sam killer, david brcko wits. i have to think, the most powerful evidence may be the videotape, the day of t
dzhokhar tsarnaev was charged without miranda, this is because federal authorities were able to implement the... the national threat exemption. and that will allow them to continue to question him. now, just on the other side of the police tape is a spontaneous celebration, beginning with people huddled around the radios, wanting to hear the latest information h. they got the information they wanted, cheers would erupt. ultimately, they lined both sides of the road and cheered for the emergency...
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he's already been read his miranda rights by the fbi. but if he does have some sort of a political issue, some sort of a grudge that he wants people to know about, he may feel it's in his best interest to talk and that is certainly what law enforcement is hoping. they still want to find out are there other suspects, are there people who were accomplices in one way or another, either at helping to plan the bombing, helping plan the subsequent activities, helping plan the manufacture of this device. they want to know why these people did this and more importantly, how they went about doing it, any other people of foreign or domestic, they were in contact with and if he starts to talk, that will obviously help the investigation tremendously. >> anderson, you've done a great job today. thank you very much for now. i want to turn to cnn's brian todd in watertown, who shot exclusive video of the boat while the bombing suspect was still inside it. brian, a quite dramatic end game here to what has been an appalling few days for the people of wat
he's already been read his miranda rights by the fbi. but if he does have some sort of a political issue, some sort of a grudge that he wants people to know about, he may feel it's in his best interest to talk and that is certainly what law enforcement is hoping. they still want to find out are there other suspects, are there people who were accomplices in one way or another, either at helping to plan the bombing, helping plan the subsequent activities, helping plan the manufacture of this...
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i want to talk about miranda. suspect number 2. they read dzhokhar his miranda rights last night apparently bedside. while we talk about this will you pull up the picture of joe -- dzhokhar and the young boy who was killed. isn't this one of the most evil pictures you have seen. that boy is minutes away from being blown up by the bomb. the bomb placed at the feet of him. should she have read his miranda rights dick dick i still can't get over he is doing my segway. >> people coming into certain universities. that's true there is a hesitancy to jump on muslims as there is to jump on blacks. i mean, it's something that my side has condition the people to be very careful about that when i said something yesterday about student visas get into later in the show. i get jumped on my side. >> miranda bad idea or not. plenty of time to do it but they decided to do it last night. i'm assuming an correct me if i am wrong, you may know, this the department of justice pushed them to do that now. >> i would imagine. i give deference to the gover
i want to talk about miranda. suspect number 2. they read dzhokhar his miranda rights last night apparently bedside. while we talk about this will you pull up the picture of joe -- dzhokhar and the young boy who was killed. isn't this one of the most evil pictures you have seen. that boy is minutes away from being blown up by the bomb. the bomb placed at the feet of him. should she have read his miranda rights dick dick i still can't get over he is doing my segway. >> people coming into...
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from dzhokhar tsarnaev to investigators, we do not know if that was before or after he received his miranda warnings or before or after he obtained counsel. that's an excellent point. one of the things we do know that he is saying apparently is that it was his brother tamerlan who was the mastermind here. is that something that could be helpful to his defense if he was merely following his brother? >> well, it will be helpful to his defense in the sense of mitigating the penalty that he might end up suffering. from what i've read and what i've seen, he's clearly as culpable as his brother. the videos that they picked up, and the statements that he made to the driver of the suv, all would indicate that he was a willing participant in this crime, and also the fact that he fled from the scene would further indicate his willingness to participate in this crime. however, any influence that he might have suffered from his brother, his brother's influence on him, may again go to mitigate any penalty that might be imposed upon him. whether he ends up getting the death penalty or whether he ends up
from dzhokhar tsarnaev to investigators, we do not know if that was before or after he received his miranda warnings or before or after he obtained counsel. that's an excellent point. one of the things we do know that he is saying apparently is that it was his brother tamerlan who was the mastermind here. is that something that could be helpful to his defense if he was merely following his brother? >> well, it will be helpful to his defense in the sense of mitigating the penalty that he...
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roger and clint thank you as well. >>> the obama invoking its right to deny dzhokhar tsarnaev of his miranda warning for the short term but will that public safety information provide the government with valuable intelligence. we're going to take a deeper look at the role and discuss what's next in all legal aspects of this case after the break. with the spark miles card from capital one, bjorn earns unlimited rewards for his small business. take these bags to room 12 please. [ garth ] bjorn's small business earns double miles on every purchase every day. produce delivery. [ bjorn ] just put it on my spark card. [ garth ] why settle for less? ahh, oh! [ garth ] great businesses deserve unlimited rewards. here's your wake up call. [ male announcer ] get the spark business card from capital one and earn unlimited rewards. choose double miles or 2% cash back on every purchase every day. what's in your wallet? [ crows ] now where's the snooze button? departure. hertz gold plus rewards also offers ereturn-- our fastest way to return your car. just note your mileage and zap ! you're outta there !
roger and clint thank you as well. >>> the obama invoking its right to deny dzhokhar tsarnaev of his miranda warning for the short term but will that public safety information provide the government with valuable intelligence. we're going to take a deeper look at the role and discuss what's next in all legal aspects of this case after the break. with the spark miles card from capital one, bjorn earns unlimited rewards for his small business. take these bags to room 12 please. [ garth ]...
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we need to understand that the debate is not so much about this individual, miranda in this case, enemy combatant in this case. it is that, once again, like post- 9/11, the patriots act, now it's the time that we have to take that deep breath and say, backing off of this sort of talk is not protecting this individual. it's protecting our constitutional rights and the tenants of this system. and we need to keep that in mind. we hear nonsense like america's a battlefield so even for u.s. citizens we can throw it all out the window from here going forward because of sudden nebulous war on terror. >> that's the debate, kelly. you've done terrorism cases. when you have senators like lindsey graham saying that the suspect should be tried as an enemy combatant and then "the new york times" comes back with an editorial -- "mr. graham's reckless statement makes a mockery of the superb civilian police work that led to the suspect's capture, starting with the skillful analysis of the video recordings of the marathon. there is no reason that the lawyers and courts cannot continue to do their work."
we need to understand that the debate is not so much about this individual, miranda in this case, enemy combatant in this case. it is that, once again, like post- 9/11, the patriots act, now it's the time that we have to take that deep breath and say, backing off of this sort of talk is not protecting this individual. it's protecting our constitutional rights and the tenants of this system. and we need to keep that in mind. we hear nonsense like america's a battlefield so even for u.s. citizens...
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i don't think the miranda argument is particularly important in the end. they'll convict him if he lives. and if they don't give him miranda warnings, maybe they'll get more information about if there are other individual involved in this conspiracy. >> do you think that's part of it? other individuals involved? as someone who's been in the situations before, how big a concern is that, of the decisions tonight? >> sure. it's not about getting additional evidence against him. the public safety exception is to find out whether or not there is explosive devices out there that would cause some harm to the public -- >> which they're worried about. they don't know where all the pipe bomb went. >> sure. it's an absolute right to use the public safety exception in these circumstances. or is there an act of conspiracy beyond him and his brother. that's important for law enforcement to get to the heart of that as quickly as possible. >> that's an important point. we've been talking about, you know, they thought during the day that he could have some of those pipe bo
i don't think the miranda argument is particularly important in the end. they'll convict him if he lives. and if they don't give him miranda warnings, maybe they'll get more information about if there are other individual involved in this conspiracy. >> do you think that's part of it? other individuals involved? as someone who's been in the situations before, how big a concern is that, of the decisions tonight? >> sure. it's not about getting additional evidence against him. the...
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they've chosen to question him without reading him miranda rights. what does that mean for any information they might be getting? >> well, it's very important to the people -- we've been talking a lot about miranda and i think it's important for people to understand what it does and doesn't mean. if you are questioned without your miranda rights, all that means is that the statements you make cannot be used against you in a criminal court. they can be used against other people. they can be used as leads to other inquiries. and you can still be prosecuted with lots of other evidence. all it means is that those statements cannot be used against you. from what it certainly appears there is lots of other evidence against this fellow. so the fact that the government might be giving up the chance to use some of it is not much of a sacrifice on the part of the government. >> he also at this point could indicate he wants an attorney and doesn't want to answer any questions, correct? >> absolutely. even when someone doesn't get miranda rights, the statements
they've chosen to question him without reading him miranda rights. what does that mean for any information they might be getting? >> well, it's very important to the people -- we've been talking a lot about miranda and i think it's important for people to understand what it does and doesn't mean. if you are questioned without your miranda rights, all that means is that the statements you make cannot be used against you in a criminal court. they can be used against other people. they can...
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miranda rights read. so he may well cooperate and this may well all have a happy ending and i hope it does and i hope everything works out just fine. there is at least a chance that some information will be lost because of this and it seems to me that when you have an attack of this kind related to muslim extremism as this plainly is especially in the case of the older brother perhaps in the case of this young man as well that intelligence is critical and ought to be a priority. >> bret: yuan, we don't know what if anything he has told investigators up until he was read his miranda rights. that's what we don't know. he is clearly not speaking because of the injury. but, your thoughts? >> i was going to make the point that you made, which is that we don't know what he said before he was read his miranda rights. and it would indicate from the fact that he is nodding that maybe he wasn't able to speak. maybe, i don't know but that's my assumption based on the transcript. i will say i don't think the presiden
miranda rights read. so he may well cooperate and this may well all have a happy ending and i hope it does and i hope everything works out just fine. there is at least a chance that some information will be lost because of this and it seems to me that when you have an attack of this kind related to muslim extremism as this plainly is especially in the case of the older brother perhaps in the case of this young man as well that intelligence is critical and ought to be a priority. >> bret:...
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he has yet to be charged in connection with the attack or been notified of his miranda rights, however, this morning officials tell nbc news he's awake and using pen and paper to answer questions from investigators. all of this as the fbi says it has obtained surveillance footage showing tsarnaev putting down his backpack near the finish line just minutes before the explosion. massachusetts governor deval patrick says he's been briefed on the footage. >> the suspect took the backpack off, put it down, did not react when the first explosion went off and then moved away from the backpack in time for the second explosion, so pretty clear about his involvement and pretty chilling, frankly. >> all right, so while we wait on that video, i want you to look at these new infrared images released showing the final intense moments of the manhunt. stun grenades just exploded as police moved in to capture the 19-year-old, and it capped a nearly four-day search for dzhokhar and his older brother, tamerlan, and while the nation was reeling, we are getting word this morning that the brothers actually
he has yet to be charged in connection with the attack or been notified of his miranda rights, however, this morning officials tell nbc news he's awake and using pen and paper to answer questions from investigators. all of this as the fbi says it has obtained surveillance footage showing tsarnaev putting down his backpack near the finish line just minutes before the explosion. massachusetts governor deval patrick says he's been briefed on the footage. >> the suspect took the backpack off,...
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. >> dzhokhar was read his miranda rights in a brief bedside session. >> he nodded most of his answers. >> nodded four times to questions but spoke just one word. >> when asked if he could afford a lawyer, he spoke the word no. >> the house today will get a classified briefing. a senate committee will question the fbi. >> the fbi faces questions. >> there are limits on what can be done. >> there are ways in which you could further enable the fbi. >> these are all issues that are going to be developed. >> i want to get a sequester very quickly in here. >> a series of automatic, severe budget cuts. >> across the board sequester cuts. >> what does it mean for the overall debate? >> fbi agents will be furloughed. changes like this affect our ability to respond to threats. >> this is a result of the sequester. >> these cuts are not smart, they are not fair. >> this touches, you know, almost every big issue going on in washington now. >> president obama's early second term domestic agenda. gun control, the budget and reform. president obama is inviting the senators over for dinner tonight. >
. >> dzhokhar was read his miranda rights in a brief bedside session. >> he nodded most of his answers. >> nodded four times to questions but spoke just one word. >> when asked if he could afford a lawyer, he spoke the word no. >> the house today will get a classified briefing. a senate committee will question the fbi. >> the fbi faces questions. >> there are limits on what can be done. >> there are ways in which you could further enable the fbi....
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if they don't read him his miranda rights right away, you okay with that? >> well, look. i think the public safety exception is being greatly and overly expanded in this instance. the public safety exception as the supreme court laid out is for an instance when an officer walks up on a situation and sees an empty holster and says where's your gun. that's to prevent an imminent threat from happening right then. what they are doing now is really expanding that public safety exception to say really the fifth amendment applies when they say it does and i don't think the supreme court is going to uphold that down the line. the supreme court actually heard oral argument on a case very similar out of texas last week where their argument was the fifth amendment doesn't apply until we read the miranda rights. so we may have an answer to that sooner than we think. >> christopher -- >> would it make any difference -- i'm sorry, fred. just want a little follow-up. would it make any difference if the u.s. were to revoke his naturalized u.s. citizenship as far as the law is concerned?
if they don't read him his miranda rights right away, you okay with that? >> well, look. i think the public safety exception is being greatly and overly expanded in this instance. the public safety exception as the supreme court laid out is for an instance when an officer walks up on a situation and sees an empty holster and says where's your gun. that's to prevent an imminent threat from happening right then. what they are doing now is really expanding that public safety exception to say...
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they waved tsarnaev's miranda rights. they said he could still pose a threat either because there are more bombs planted out there or he's connected to a larger terrorist cell. either way it has some lawmakers concerned. as investigators continue to interrogate their suspect some lawmakers argue he should be treated as an enemy combatant and denied an attorney for the time being. >> we should be allowed her intelligence-gathering purposes. >> investigators say they're still uncertain whether zocor and his brother tamerlan who died in a shoot-out on friday with police have any ties to fore te union issued a statement saying we must not waver from our tried and true justice system even in the most difficult of times. denial of rights is un-american and will only make it harder to obtain fair convictions. some liberal lawmakers agree and said they would be comfortable with tsarnaev being designated as an enemy combatant. >> i don't believe. it would beunconstitutional to >> it carries its own risk especially if that suspect
they waved tsarnaev's miranda rights. they said he could still pose a threat either because there are more bombs planted out there or he's connected to a larger terrorist cell. either way it has some lawmakers concerned. as investigators continue to interrogate their suspect some lawmakers argue he should be treated as an enemy combatant and denied an attorney for the time being. >> we should be allowed her intelligence-gathering purposes. >> investigators say they're still...
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jenna: please. >> i don't have a problem with miranda rights. this man can only be tried in federal court. he's never eligible for military commissions. a first year law student could convict this person. what i'm worried about is what does he know about future attacks? he's telling us that his brother was the bad guy, he's sort of just along for the ride. they had no international connections. guess what, he's down-playing his involvement. what i am suggesting is that we use the national security legal system where we can interview him without a lawyer to gather intelligence to prevent a future attack, rather than having to negotiate through his lawyer to get any information. jenna: but, if i could, senator, there seems to be a lot of discrepancy about some of the information come being out about this investigation. >> right. jenna: we've all seen it, you know, played out on the news and otherwise. i would like to drill down a little bit into an even change you just had about the boston terror attacks with the s*epbg o secretary of home land se
jenna: please. >> i don't have a problem with miranda rights. this man can only be tried in federal court. he's never eligible for military commissions. a first year law student could convict this person. what i'm worried about is what does he know about future attacks? he's telling us that his brother was the bad guy, he's sort of just along for the ride. they had no international connections. guess what, he's down-playing his involvement. what i am suggesting is that we use the national...
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and this morning the aclu is reacting to no miranda rights red to the suspect. he should be told of his right to silence or right to an attorney, but the aclu says that the public safety exception should be read narrowly and denying miranda rights is un-american. our expert ted smeltzer says that the first thing they will do is find out the motive. >> is this a wayward nut like columbine or some of the school shooters apparently have been, or what is the linkages, and who is this guy linked up to. >> most experts believe the case will be tried in federal court, and pros ecutors will charge hi with use of weapons of mass destruction which could make the case eligible for capital punishment. the suspect is held in the same hospital as some of the victims. more than 180 people were hurt in those explosions, and some are in critical kn dirks and some of the stories trickle out. her son lost a leg. >> it is a nightmare. running back and forth to each of them and they are hurt and sick as they r and i could not be at both places at the same time, so it is a nightmare.
and this morning the aclu is reacting to no miranda rights red to the suspect. he should be told of his right to silence or right to an attorney, but the aclu says that the public safety exception should be read narrowly and denying miranda rights is un-american. our expert ted smeltzer says that the first thing they will do is find out the motive. >> is this a wayward nut like columbine or some of the school shooters apparently have been, or what is the linkages, and who is this guy...
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the argument i guess is under this limited questioning period before he is formally advised of his miranda rights, he has and right to an attorney, doesn't have to answer any questions. there has been some suggestion that can only last maybe 48 hours or so if he's formally named an enemy combatant, that would go on for days if not weeks. i guess that's the distinction. >> it's the length of time. right. the enemy combatant, if that designation were made, could go on for weeks or even months. but i just think it's important to emphasize that the obama administration has absolutely not considered that, has not considered that approach, and every terrorism suspect under either the george w. bush administration or the obama administration who was arrested on american soil has been treated as a criminal defendant in the united states courts. senator graham's proposal would an complete departure from that approach and i don't think there's any indication that's going to happen.that approach a there's any indication that's going to happen. >> and he's a naturalized u.s. citizen. only 19. but last
the argument i guess is under this limited questioning period before he is formally advised of his miranda rights, he has and right to an attorney, doesn't have to answer any questions. there has been some suggestion that can only last maybe 48 hours or so if he's formally named an enemy combatant, that would go on for days if not weeks. i guess that's the distinction. >> it's the length of time. right. the enemy combatant, if that designation were made, could go on for weeks or even...
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is entitled to his miranda rights. why? >> well, i think the administration is handling it exactly correct. there is a public safety exception under the miranda allowing law enforcement to interview him, making sure there are no other bombs, threats, perpetrators still out there giving the law enforcement flexibility to do the that prior to miranda and i think the court will interpret it broadly and give them the time they need to make sure that the public is safe. after that, he will have to be mirandized, doesn't mean the end of cooperation, but no basis yet to conclude they should be treated at enemy combatants. we're talking about an american citizen on american soil. there's no evidence that i've seen yet that they were a part of an al qaeda cell or directed by a foreign government. we're very far afield from a situation which is sort of the paradigm for enemy combatant status. that is, someone captured on the balg battlefield in a theater of war. resist these charges as an enemy combatant. the court has proven capable
is entitled to his miranda rights. why? >> well, i think the administration is handling it exactly correct. there is a public safety exception under the miranda allowing law enforcement to interview him, making sure there are no other bombs, threats, perpetrators still out there giving the law enforcement flexibility to do the that prior to miranda and i think the court will interpret it broadly and give them the time they need to make sure that the public is safe. after that, he will...
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. >> so all of that talk of some sort of public safety exception before you give him his miranda rights, all that talk of naming him as an enemy combatant, all of that is moot right now. they've gone forward with the official proceedings. >> well, they may have used the public safety exception, and apparently they were using it to question him, and he responded in some way given his medical condition. but certainly now that he has a lawyer, that period, however long it was, is over. and you're right, the enemy combatant thing was a nonstarter from the never going to happen. this is a criminal case in federal court in massachusetts, and that's where it will stay until it's resolved one way or another. >> it's going to take a while. thanks very much, jeffrey. much more on what's going on in this boston investigation coming up here in "the situation room" 0. >>> also, another terror plot released today, new information. canadian authorities announcing the arrest of two men believed to be part of a terror plot to attack a passenger train that may have been heading towards the united states,
. >> so all of that talk of some sort of public safety exception before you give him his miranda rights, all that talk of naming him as an enemy combatant, all of that is moot right now. they've gone forward with the official proceedings. >> well, they may have used the public safety exception, and apparently they were using it to question him, and he responded in some way given his medical condition. but certainly now that he has a lawyer, that period, however long it was, is over....
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he will not be given a miranda warning, won't be told about the right to remain silent. once he is physically able to answer questions, they will begin to answer questions under new federal procedure. mike isikoff is familiar with this as well, he has reported on its development, the government will invoke something called the public safety rule. it is a court ordered, judge made rule that says when there's an imminent threat to public safety, when you need to answer questions to make sure there's no additional threat, nobody else, no co-conspirator, no outstanding plots, you can ask someone questions without miranda warning and answers are admissible in court. nobody knows how long the rule will last, starts to fade the moment you invoke it, probably 48 hours is the outer limit. the questioning will be done once it begins by something called high value detainee interrogation group. this was set up by the government and it consists of members of the fbi, cia and defense department. they'll do the initial questioning. after that 48 hour or whatever how many hours of publi
he will not be given a miranda warning, won't be told about the right to remain silent. once he is physically able to answer questions, they will begin to answer questions under new federal procedure. mike isikoff is familiar with this as well, he has reported on its development, the government will invoke something called the public safety rule. it is a court ordered, judge made rule that says when there's an imminent threat to public safety, when you need to answer questions to make sure...
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these are only questions that can be obtained if he does not get his miranda rights. even though, there's the public safety exception. that's going to expire in 48 hours, and after that, he can lawyer up and refuse to speak. right now is the only opportunity to go into the treasure trove of information that only he has. >> excuse me, congressman. i do want to get to the intelligence because i know you both have been briefed by the administration this week. senator feinstein, what can you tell us about the plot at this point? was there any foreign involvement, and especially, what do you know, if anything, about the older brother, tamerlan's trip to russia last year? >> we do not know specifics. however, we do know there was very likely a call from russia before he went back to dagistan and chechnya asking about it. i think just conjecture would lead one to believe this may have come from running jihadist sites on his website. anyway, he went home for six months. that's a lapse. we will find out what happened during those six months. i think there is likely going to be
these are only questions that can be obtained if he does not get his miranda rights. even though, there's the public safety exception. that's going to expire in 48 hours, and after that, he can lawyer up and refuse to speak. right now is the only opportunity to go into the treasure trove of information that only he has. >> excuse me, congressman. i do want to get to the intelligence because i know you both have been briefed by the administration this week. senator feinstein, what can you...
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why does the miranda issue matter? >> it really matters on whether there will be able to determine if there is other further threats and whether there will be able to prosecute him in federal court. and as soon as they mirandize him and give him the right to a lawyer, they know they can use those statements against him in court. if they don't do that, they will have a very tough time using any evidence they collect from him before that time against him in a federal courtroom. >> put yourself in the shoes of the obama administration. they want to know as much as they can about how this happened so as to not make -- make sure it doesn't happen again. if he lawyers up, if he is read his miranda rights, he probably will be advised not to cooperate and not to say anything. isn't it just to play devil's advocate in the best interests of the nation to withhold on doing that for a second and gets a much information as they can? >> well, it's a very tough decision, but really the exception they're using is the public safety exc
why does the miranda issue matter? >> it really matters on whether there will be able to determine if there is other further threats and whether there will be able to prosecute him in federal court. and as soon as they mirandize him and give him the right to a lawyer, they know they can use those statements against him in court. if they don't do that, they will have a very tough time using any evidence they collect from him before that time against him in a federal courtroom. >> put...
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challenges i imagine to the interrogation that has been discussed, this suspect has not been given his miranda rights under the public -- you're going to have a hearing over that. there will be multiple procedures in this case that will take place even before a trial begins. >> tanya acker, live in los angeles this evening. thanks very much. >> a deadly and destructive earthquake has hit southwestern china. >> the death toll is rising and rescue workers are struggling just to reach the affected area. we'll have the latest in just a moment. >>> and it's been an emotional week for the city of boston. >> we'll have more on how sport is helping the city to heal. and everyone but her... no. no! no. ...likes 50% more cash. but i don't give up easy... do you want 50% more cash? yes! yes?! ♪ [ male announcer ] the capital one cash rewards card gives you 1% cash back on every purchase, plus a 50% annual bonus on the cash you earn. it's the card for people who like more cash. ♪ what's in your wallet? why? and we've hit the why phase... but the sun's always a little brighter with leinenkugel's summer
challenges i imagine to the interrogation that has been discussed, this suspect has not been given his miranda rights under the public -- you're going to have a hearing over that. there will be multiple procedures in this case that will take place even before a trial begins. >> tanya acker, live in los angeles this evening. thanks very much. >> a deadly and destructive earthquake has hit southwestern china. >> the death toll is rising and rescue workers are struggling just to...
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that's issue of the miranda rights. to give you a better understanding on that, that's whether or not they should invoke this public safety exception that they are in the process of doing. but it doesn't help you very much if he can't communicate. while we'll make sure that this doesn't change the circumstances, it is expected that he would be mirandized as early as tomorrow. >> and then that would go into civilian court. okay. peter alexander at the white house. thank you very much for ironing all that out for us. >>> the legal questions over whether dzhokhar tsarnaev be tried as an enemy combatant, we'll take it further after the break. are you still sleeping? just wanted to check and make sure that we were on schedule. the first technology of its kind... mom and dad, i have great news. is now providing answers families need. siemens. answers. it shows. we don't run like that. we build john deere equipment the way we always have: the right way. times change. our principles don't. you don't just have our word on it. yo
that's issue of the miranda rights. to give you a better understanding on that, that's whether or not they should invoke this public safety exception that they are in the process of doing. but it doesn't help you very much if he can't communicate. while we'll make sure that this doesn't change the circumstances, it is expected that he would be mirandized as early as tomorrow. >> and then that would go into civilian court. okay. peter alexander at the white house. thank you very much for...
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they believe that -- the feds actually, when they took him in, they suspended his miranda rights for a 48 hour period and decide whether or not to seek the death penalty -- listen to this from last night as well. >> this is still an active and ongoing investigation. we're going to be reviewing all of the evidence. before that kind of a decision is made in terms of whether or not to seek the death penalty, you review all of the evidence and it's a very thoughtful, long process that is engaged and it's the attorney general of the department of justice that makes that final decision. >> martha: all right. so there you have that. let's bring in fox news legal analyst peter johnson, jr. peter, welcome. >> how are you? >> martha: that's the u.s. attorney on this case in boston. she says it's too early to talk about death penalty. >> i was really surprised and disturbed as an american and as a lawyer in watching that last night. you couldn't think of a more weak insip mid remark that she was making. the charges that will be filed in this case, i haven't seen them, but i can approximate what
they believe that -- the feds actually, when they took him in, they suspended his miranda rights for a 48 hour period and decide whether or not to seek the death penalty -- listen to this from last night as well. >> this is still an active and ongoing investigation. we're going to be reviewing all of the evidence. before that kind of a decision is made in terms of whether or not to seek the death penalty, you review all of the evidence and it's a very thoughtful, long process that is...